1 John 5:7-8 Comma Johanneum – the missing (?) Richard Simmon manuscripts – where are they?

 

Someone over here:

http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-greek-manuscripts-of-comma.html

Raised this question:

*** Yet where is this Matthaei manuscript now? ***

(And those referenced by Richard Simon.)

Here are the Richard Simon manuscripts.

Bibliothèque nationale de France. Département des manuscrits. Grec 57 [mss 2247] (circa. 10th-11^th century C.E.)

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10722175d.image

And:

Bibliothèque nationale de France. Département des manuscrits. Grec 60 [Colbert’s Library mss 871] (circa. 13th-14th century C.E.)

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b107227156.image

Also referenced by Sir Isaac Newton.

TWO NOTABLE CORRUPTIONS OF SCRIPTURE (part 1: ff. 1-41) by Isaac Newton

Source: Ms. 361(4), ff. 1-41, New College Library, Oxford

< insertion from f 4v > For the Greeks interpreted the spirit water & blood of the Trinity as well as the Latines, as is manifest by the annotations they made on this text in the margins of some of their manuscripts. For ^{a[6] a. Hist. N. Test.} Father Simon informs us that one of the MSS in the Library of the King of ffrance marked Num. 2247 over against these words ^{[7] {illeg}}

Ὅτι ρεις ἐισιν δι μαρτυρουντες ἐν τη γ{ο} τὸ πνευμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καί τὸ ἁιμα For there are three that beare record [in earth] the spirit the water & the blood: there is this remark τουτέστι τὸ πνευμα τὸ ἅγιον καὶ ὁ πατὴρ καὶ ἀυτὸς ἑαντου That is, the holy Ghost & the Father & he of himself. And in the same copy over against these words καί {&} τρεις ἐις τὸ ἕν ἐισι & these three are one this note is added. τουτὲστι μία θεότης ἑις θεός. That is, one Deity one God. This MS is about 500 years old. Also in the margin of one of the MSS in Mons Colberts Library Num. 871, as the same Father tells us there is the like remark. For besides these words ἐις θεος μία θετης One God, one Godhead; there are added μαρτυρία του θεου του πατρὸς καὶ του ἁγίου πνεύματος The testimony of God the father & of the Holy Ghost. These marginal notes sufficiently shew how the Greeks used to apply this text to the Trinity & by consequence how the author of that disputation is to be understood. But I should tell you also that that Disputation was not writ by Athanasius but by a later Author & therefore as a spurious piece uses not to be insisted upon. < text from f 5r resumes > And besides, this disputation was not writ by Athanasius but by a later Author, & therfore as a spurious piece uses not to be much insisted upon.

http://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/view/texts/normalized/THEM00261

PLEASE NOTE: The text: ἐν τῇ γῇ “in the earth” referenced above, and by Richard Simon himself, is not found in the manuscripts Bible text. This was a mistake.

Anyway!

Here are some screenshots of the texts.

BnF Grec. 57.

 

NOTE: See the number [mss] 2247 referenced Richard Simon in the top right corner. The reference numbers have changed over the years, but it is the same mss.

Folio 62r is where 1 John 5:7-8 is located with the Notae in the margin.

 

This image show’s how the Notae are connected to the text:

Enlarged images of the Notae:

And the second manuscript.

BnF Grec. 60.

Folio 30 is where 1 John 5:7-8 is located with the Notae in the margins.

Down the bottom of the left page and at the top of the right is where you want to look. First bottom left:

Top right:

This shows how the Notae relate to the text:

Enlarged image of the Notae:

So.

They exist.

NOTE: This does not mean I subscribe to Simon Richard’s specific theory either. Just getting relevant Ms., online for the benefit of everyone wanting to know about the multiple CJ-variant’s at 1 John 5:7-8.